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Post by Pickle on Jul 18, 2003 17:48:27 GMT -5
Well, Im a big fan. I didn't see the first one in the cinema but got the DVD after viewing it while on a skiing trp with my school in austria. after thinking i had the world of the matrix "down" and completely understood reloaded cropped up and shakes up all the theories bringing up plenty of fresh ones. I'll put forward some of these when im not so tired but i thought it important to get this topic out here and say how *i* *can't* *wait* *till* *november*  |
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Jul 19, 2003 8:17:56 GMT -5
I must admit I saw it, though i cant say i was really excited about it but tried to go to the cinema with an open mind.
However i wasn't really impressed to be honest i found the whole dancing scene at zion boring and turned off a bit so didn't really get into the rest of the film.
No doubt i'll go see the third one later in the year though! xxxxxxxx
;D
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Post by Pickle on Jul 19, 2003 17:09:51 GMT -5
yeah, i thought the dancing thing was a bit over-done. i suppose they wanted to show (with all the arm plugs...etc) the close relationship even in zion of man and machine. come to think of it, thats ALL that the whole zion phase really put across.
some of the more interesting Q's are:-
oracle good or bad?
neo stopping those sentenals at the end in the real world?
which door did the architect intend neo to take
the previous "ones" and the fact that only certain programmes know of them (oracle, architect, merovingian, however, not the agents it seems)
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Jul 21, 2003 6:57:34 GMT -5
WOW!
You read too much into that film dude!
I got really bored when they went to meet those two people to get the keymaker or whoever and due to my lack of concentration nearer the beginning i didn't have a clue what the achitect was going on about!
I'll probably buy it on DVD though, at lest there's a fast forward function
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Post by Pickle on Jul 21, 2003 8:50:51 GMT -5
i dont read to much into it at all...those are quite major plot points. if i was going to look a bit deeper i'd start asking why every time neo is in the presense of the oracle she offers him somthing (a cookie, a sweet). i'd ask myself if this has anything to do with each person in the matrix being given a choice if only on the sub concious level. i'd continue to say that neo may never have *Really* left the matrix, his choice was wether to save trinity or not and that he by chosing her over the world he decided against the matrix and *truely* awoke in the real world when he stopped the sentinels all speculative theory...it's completely possible that another ship let off an EMP blast at exactly that moment...etc but i still fail to see why that would stop te sentinels DEAD like that...they should have momentum of some sort.  |
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Jul 23, 2003 5:29:54 GMT -5
stopping sentinels?
EMP blasts?
Methinks I must have been asleep at that point, hehe
And didn't you think the whole 'bringing Trinity back from the dead' bit was, well a bit corney and crap?
Or was that just me again?!
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Post by Pickle on Jul 23, 2003 19:53:24 GMT -5
bah, it's all part of the parallel drawn between jesus and neo. jesus raises lazerus from the dead. although when looked at more closely trinity is closer to being "god" than "lazerus" so if we look more broadly we can say that jesus came to revive a *proper* faith in god and so bring him (well for want of a sex??) back from being dead in people's lives. what im saying above is just the way the matrix looks at the bible i believe and gives little nods to it every now and again. some bits of the 2nd did look a bit ott but i think that since this is intended to be watched as the two films RL and RV rather than the first which could stand alone (and did for a few years) it'll be like star wars. ("a new hope" being better than "the empire strikes back" but not particuly better than "the empire strikes back"&"the return of the jedi") wow i ramble  |
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Jul 24, 2003 6:44:35 GMT -5
I see the comparison to star wars but never noticed the whole bible thing, wow I've watched this thing with such a closed mind....
*Encounters road to Damascus style blinding with white light*
Everything has so much more meaning
Note Sarcasm
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Post by Pickle on Jul 24, 2003 7:51:51 GMT -5
well we'll take the first one.
morpheus reresenting john the baptist...he was there to pave the way for jesus and show the world what he truely was (dove descending at his baptism)
trinity representing god...by her love she raised him from the dead and hence finally showing the world who he really was.
now if you look at the second
the W.brothers have put it even more bluntly by having all these people in zion literally worshiping neo and offering him gifts (*cough*offerings*cough*) even asking him to "watch over" a child.
i mean, it's not that the whole of the matrix is a coll re-vamped bible but there are several references to great stories all the way through both films and as the best selling book to date the bible can hardly be ignored.
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Jul 31, 2003 15:27:06 GMT -5
Yeah, you have a point.
Being so bloody bored I never really picked up on the story, let alone the bible references! hehe
By the way you seen Bruce Almighty?
Don't Bother
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Post by Pickle on Aug 1, 2003 19:45:55 GMT -5
are you kidding! i loved that film!
"do my b**bs look bigger to you?"
"what do you mean...bigger??"
lol ;D
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Post by RoxxAatherton on Aug 4, 2003 5:33:42 GMT -5
there were amusing points to it, but it didnt make me laugh out loud.
Hate to say this but I don't find Jim Carey funny, just annoying
Anyway....
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Post by Romana on Aug 5, 2003 4:53:47 GMT -5
I absolutely LOVE The Matrix! ;D The first two films are two of the best films I've ever seen and I can't wait for Revolutions! So it seems that there's always been a Neo-type person in the Matrix and the machines have engineered them like that and the same goes for Morpheus. It was just another way of keeping the humans in check. Except this time Neo is a bit different -he obviously has the power to stop the machines themselves...
As for the man they find in the tunnel at the end, that's the man that an Agent Smith clone took over, isn't it?
That'll be interesting - roll on, November!
(Btw, my name on the KM forum is Velda but I'm GameGirl here!)
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Post by PhoenixFlame on Aug 5, 2003 8:00:31 GMT -5
I liked the Matrix, but I thought the ending of Reloaded kinda sucked! Overall though, it was a good film.
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Post by Pickle on Aug 6, 2003 21:42:52 GMT -5
yes, that was the guy Agent smith took over. best guess was that it was he who set off the EMP blast early and somehow hid from the machines therefore becoming the only survivor. either that or smith managed to do to the machines what neo did at the end (hence the same coma...etc) and "the one" isnt intended by the machines...it is an unavoidable occurance they have learned to manipulate almost completely unless of course there really are still in the matrix all along and in which case the machines do "completely" control "the one"  predictions for revolutions: Morpheus or Neo will sacrifice themselves completely to set humans free. there's always got to be a bit of death, ive got a similar theory for harry potter book 7 involving dumbledore or harry dieing to kill voldermort. |
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